Rico Noack, DKB
"We [...] expect growing demand for public sector loans at local level."

Interview

Five questions for Rico Noack, DKB

Speaking to pfandbrief.market, Rico Noack, Head of Funding and IR at DKB, comments on the first issue of a 20-year Pfandbrief in almost five years and the prospects for the lending business with local public sector entities and for Social Pfandbriefe.

Christian Walburg

Christian Walburg

Association of German Pfandbrief Banks

Despite global geopolitical tensions, DKB launched a 20-year Public Pfandbrief in the market at the beginning of June, and the bond was in exceptionally high demand. Can you explain the success of the transaction?

Rico Noack

Rico Noack

Deutsche Kreditbank AG

The success of our 20-year Public Pfandbrief in times of global geopolitical tensions can be attributed to investors’ confidence in the stability and solidity of Pfandbriefe on the one hand and in our proven business model on the other. In addition, we have noted increased investor interest in longer maturities over several months, which has aligned very well with our needs for funding in this maturity bucket. Clear communication during the execution of the deal, DKB’s sustainable orientation and stable economic situation certainly also contributed to investors’ decision to participate in this transaction.

Christian Walburg

Christian Walburg

Association of German Pfandbrief Banks

The new German government wants to use the €500 billion special infrastructure fund and a somewhat more flexible debt brake to finance investment in capital stock and defence. Will public sector lending – lending by banks to public authorities – face a renaissance?

Rico Noack

Rico Noack

Deutsche Kreditbank AG

As one of the leading municipal financiers, DKB has always focused on lending to local authorities in recent decades. From DKB’s perspective, we would therefore not speak of a ‘renaissance’. Local authorities currently estimate their accumulated investment backlog in public infrastructure at EUR 186 billion. In addition, local authorities will face considerable additional investment needs in the years to come as a result of sustainability and climate legislation. Due to significantly higher social expenditures, local authorities will no longer be able to finance these investment needs from their current revenues. Despite the one-off financial injection of EUR 100 billion from the special fund for cities and municipalities, we therefore expect growing demand for public sector loans at local level.

Christian Walburg

Christian Walburg

Association of German Pfandbrief Banks

Will the public Pfandbrief confront a renaissance?

Rico Noack

Rico Noack

Deutsche Kreditbank AG

Whether the Public Pfandbrief will go through a renaissance depends on various factors, such as the demand for secure and sustainable investment instruments and political and regulatory developments. Given the stability of the instrument and the expected growth in public sector credit demand, it is quite possible that the Public Pfandbrief will regain some of its former market share.

For us at DKB, public-sector covered bonds definitely rank alongside Mortgage Pfandbriefe, reflecting the importance of the underlying lending business.

Christian Walburg

Christian Walburg

Association of German Pfandbrief Banks

DKB's first benchmark this year was a Social Mortgage Pfandbrief. With more than EUR 4 billion in social covered bonds, DKB is the largest of three providers of Social Pfandbrief. Join us in looking to the future of S in ESG?

Rico Noack

Rico Noack

Deutsche Kreditbank AG

The Social Pfandbrief format has gained importance in the context of ESG efforts in recent years, but still ranks far behind green formats. For the medium term, I see great potential for social aspects to become even more important within ESG. Protecting vulnerable groups from the consequences of climate change and defusing the powder keg that unaffordable housing represents for society are driving forces behind this issue in politics, business and society.

Christian Walburg

Christian Walburg

Association of German Pfandbrief Banks

Thanks to the ECB's continued interest rate cuts, the yield curve has shifted particularly at the short end this year. What trend do you expect at the long end – where do you see the yield on 10-year German government bonds by the end of the year?

Rico Noack

Rico Noack

Deutsche Kreditbank AG

In view of the ECB’s continued interest rate cuts and the associated shift at the front end of the yield curve, as well as the expected higher supply of Bunds, interest rates at the long end of the curve are likely to remain stable or even rise if inflation expectations and the economic situation improve. I therefore expect the yield on 10-year German government bonds to be in a range between 2.5% and 3.0% at the turn of 2025/2026, depending, of course, on geopolitical and global economic developments, further monetary policy and inflation expectations.

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